Thanks Weejie - It looks like most of the traditional set dances, and several of the "modern" set dance tunes are not considered hornpipes (possibly because they have an irregular number of bars).
Here’s the list of 2/4 noted by someone out there recording them:
The White Blanket is noted in O’Neill as one long tune of 18 bars.
I can’t recall ever having seen a transcription of it in 6/4 ." I’ve always seen Reels, Strathspeys, and Hornpipes written in 4/4 though Reels are usually ‘felt’ as having two beats per bar and an outsider would probably write them in ‘cut time’, or 2/4. Does the sound alter depending on how the tune looks on the page Tony? A random example is no 909 - The Queen of May. "It’s a subtle difference." Yep. That said, strictly for my own purposes, I sometimes beam to remind myself of phrasing. "from O’Suilleabhain/O’Sullivan and hence from Bunting"
4 time. Very old, primordial hornpipes had often a time signature of 3/2. It premiered on 17 July 1717 after King George I had requested a concert on the River Thames. In the 1001 tunes book O’Neill notated all of his hornpipes and reels in cut time, using the C symbol bisected by a vertical line(₵), and so I "followed the leader" so to speak. Though perhaps you meant in the database here. Also known as "Gillespie's Hornpipe" 1741. 2/2 Time There is a tavern in the town, in the town, And there my true love sits him down, sits him down, And drinks his wine mid laughter free, And never, never thinks of me. I can think of a ms with an English "double hornpipe" ("Three-two" in the database here) notated with 6/8 time signature but with beaming that varies between 3 groups of … Irish Dance Medal Holder / Display - Hornpipe. As regards the tunes in the database on this site, there are a number of tunes there that do not fit into any category of dance tune (reel, jig, hornpipe, polka etc.) whereas we dance it as 2 x 8 + 12 bars. So a quarter note is now equivalent to that of an eighth note if you relate it to 4/4 time signature. I like playing hornpipes, but I’ve always found the form a little difficult to understand. Bunting is given in the reference in the complete O’Sullivan edition. It is somewhat difficult to master for beginning dancers because it's hard to time. You can easily find out how many measures are in each part by counting them, which might help it to stay in your memory for future reference. The main pulse in most 3/4 musical compositions is felt on beat one, but all three pulses in 3/2 are meant to be played deliberately, with the first beat slightly emphasized. Here are some audio clips of hornpipes: anything in 4/4, 2/4, 2/2 etc.). One thing you definitely won’t see at a real, traditional, session is a music stand! In 3/2 time signature the length of a Whole note or Rest is 2 beats long because the bottom no.of the time signature is 2, which is equivalent to 1 beat so a Half note's length is equal to 1 beat here.Since 2 Half notes equal a Whole note,the length of a Whole note is 2 beats long that can't cover an entire measure in … It does not matter whether there are upper or lower case letters; however, if the rhythm designator is in two words, eg, R: Double Hornpipe there should only be one space between the two words. Many musicians from other backgrounds (jazz, rock) think of (and notate) any reel/hornpipe/polka sounding tune as 2/4 (and may even talk about "those sixteenth notes"), will notate jigs like 4/4 with triplets all over the place, and occasionally notate bouncy hornpipes as jigs (with twice the amount of bars per part). CreadurMawnOrganig - I’ll answer you and more later. Incidentally, when I was visiting the O’Carolan monument and garden in Keadue back in August I noticed that the transcription of his "Sídh Beag Sídh Mór" had a key signature of 6/4, I’ve always thought of it as 3/4 and I can’t recall ever having seen a transcription of it in 6/4 . " Years back I got a couple of thousand miles in sailing yachts and was wowed by just how appropriate some tunes felt when the rhythm of the swell and the tune harmonised it felt quite special at times. In spite of sharing time signature, hornpipes and reels differ substantially - as anyone who has tried to dance their reel to hornpipe will have noticed. Who knows? An example: Here in The Session I see that Planxty Davis is noted in 2/4 time but is called a polka and not a hornpipe. Time signatures can also be duple, triple, or quadruple depending on how many strong beats there are in a bar. All of these tune styles have corresponding traditional dances. The most common type of hornpipe is similar to the reel in terms of time signature (4/4), but instead of counting four even beats per bar there is an emphasis on the first and third beats, which give the tune a kind of ‘swing’ or ‘bounce’ feel ( each beat is counted as 1-2-3-4 I 1-2-3-4*). A small change in feel or rhythmic pattern within the same time signature can make a large difference to how an exercise feels for the dancer. For instance, a bar full of quavers in 6/8. The tune type brings with it an unwritten way of playing things, so can the time signature in certain cases. I think I just searched in Tunes for Planxty Davis. Also known as HULL'S VICTORY -- HORNPIPE. Score Key: C major (Sounding Pitch) ( View more C major Music for Piano ) Time Signature: 3/2 ( View more 3/2 Music) Duration: 1:33. A small change in feel or rhythmic pattern within the same time signature can make a large difference to how an exercise feels for the dancer. JaW.124, Tom Tollys Hornpipe, Tom Tulley's, Tom Fowler's Hornpipe. Time signature ... Hornpipe T: Good for the Tongue T: Jenkins' hornpipe T: Washington hornpipe R: hornpipe, reel M: C| L: 1/8 N: This tune was in smallpiper Joe Hutton's repertoire as the Washington Hornpipe (in G); N: the fiddle original is in Bb. High-Quality and Interactive, Transpose it in any key, change the tempo, easy play & practice. There are three more on that page alone. Downfall of Paris, Lodge Road, KIng of the Fairies, Planxty Davis, Rodney’s Glory. @C. Nicholas: Could you give some examples of hornpipes written in 2/4? as a jazz guitarist and extensive use of sheet music was the order of the day, although I was fortunate to have a fairly good ear. For example, a piece in 3/4 can feel like a one-in-a-bar or three-in-a-bar. Yes of course count the bars anyway but I’ll have to check further to seek out the inconsistencies. 4/4 tends to be favoured nowadays, although 2/4 is often seen in older collections. Beams are an aid to the eye that remind you of the rhythmic grouping already indicated by the time signature. " i. it is not a hornpipe, in the sense that the word is used in the Irish tradition
4 # of Parts . Hmm, Mark M, I think we’re mostly saying the same thing. One could argue the title and the style of the tune marked an official transition from old-style pointed hornpipes to the rounder, wilder hornpipes that became prevalent after it. Funny thing, when doing ‘studio’ and orchestral work one comes upon traditional Irish dance music, and new compositions written in imitation of it, written by composers unfamiliar with Irish writing conventions and they’ll notate things in ways that seem strange to a traditional player (but sound the same when played). For those without a copy:
semiquavers and quavers instead of quavers and crotchets) then there is no difference at all - the relative durations of the notes are all that matters. I thought so. I was hoping C. Nicolas himself would give some examples. Before I started playing Irish music I had been educated(I use the term loosely!) 4/4, You can remove these filters to broaden out your search. Wobble Gears, Little Hornpipe, Durants Hornpipe Composer/Core Source Region United States Genre/Style Contra Meter/Rhythm Reel (single/double) Key/Tonic of D Accidental 2 sharps Mode Ionian (Major) Time signature 2/2 History USA(Mid Atlantic), USA(New England) Structure AABB You wouldn’t, for example, beam a bar of 6/8 as 1234 12 - actually, you wouldn’t do that at all, unless you were writing vocal music as I described above. is a simple duple meter. That is 2 groups of 4 quavers rather than 4 groups of 2. 2/4 March 3/4 March 4/4 March 6/8 March Air Jig Reel Strathspey Hornpipe Song SteveT-Actually my understanding is that hornpipes were not used as work songs on ships but were instead used as exercise for sailors during lulls on long sea voyages to keep fit. Folk tune finder is a search engine for folk tunes in ABC notation. “The Boys of Blue Hill” is an old Irish hornpipe. The Planxty Davis I printed out was from this Session site"
Songs in 4/4 Time for Kids. Membership is free, and it only takes a moment to sign up. That is, the music is passed along by learners listening to and emulating experienced musicians rather than by printed “sheet music.” In fact, many traditional Irish musicians don’t read music at all. There are two basic types of common-time hornpipe, ones like the "Sailors' Hornpipe", moving in even notes, sometimes notated in 2 2, moving a little slower than a reel, and ones like "The Harvest Home", moving in dotted notes. R: hornpipe and an a appropriate time signature matching one of the built in configurations. As was said above, music notation is math-based and there are several ways of writing mathematically equivalent things. I think it’s a matter of notation convention - most will agree on the number of notes per phrase (and in turn the same number of bars), and whether that means two groups of semiquavers per bar for 2/4 or two groups of quavers per bar in 4/4 (or 2/2…) doesn’t really matter. But yes there will be a fairly agreed-upon way within each genre about what meter to use. Yes, David50, beaming is an aid to the eye and nothing else. Hornpipe/Clog Key/Tonic of G Accidental 1 sharp Mode Ionian (Major) Time signature 4/4, 2/4 History ENGLAND(North East) Structure AABB Editor/Compiler William Bradbury Ryan Book/Manuscript title Ryan's Mammoth Collection Tune and/or Page number p. 118 But even then there’d be other factors in the music to indicate the rhythmic shift. Traditional. the barlines are poorly placed, not corresponding to the natural phrase structure of the tune. 3. Why dance rhythms rather than time signature? If it is written in 2/4 with the bar lengths halved, but the note values not halved (i.e. For example they’ll often write Jigs in 4/4, four groups of three notes per bar, each group of three notated as a triplet throughout the piece. C. Nicolas. So, when submitting a tune like Planxty Davis (which is neither a hornpipe nor a polka), you can whichever category fits best (i.e. Also known as Twilight Star, SILVER STAR -- HORNPIPE, Silver Star Hornpipe, "The Twilight Star" (hornpipe) 1641. I wonder if some of the authors of the old fiddler’s manuscripts might do that also. time signatures separate the way tunes are played as well as the tune type. "Frigging in the Rigging" must have helped them build up quite a sweat. I notate my hornpipes in alle breve, or 2/2 time, also known as "cut" time. Perhaps the best known example is the "Sailors' Hornpipe".
Beaming is a bit more than an aid to the eye, it indicates rhythmic grouping. It is danced in hardshoes only. Hornpipes Time Sig. X:1
Planxty Davis isn’t a polka, and it says as much in the comments beneath the entry under ‘hornpipes’. Although the default note length is given in the time signature, the actual note lengths can be different, as long as it … You’d beam 3/4 as 12 12 12 and 6/8 as 123 123. I agree with Jeff that a lot of this is about "convention", and also 2/4 to me is polka or march. https://thesession.org/tunes/6351. Read about the last decade and the decade to come. I have never been clear whether the beaming was just an aid to reading - making it easier for the eye to scan for content - or whether it said something about the accent or rhythm. "Does the sound alter depending on how the tune looks on the page Tony?" 1. Is there a reason for these differences (besides the discrepancy of the one who wrote it down)? Competition 2/4 March Other 2/4 March Competition Strathspey Other Strathspey Competition Reel Other Reel 3/4 March 4/4 March 6/8 March 9/8 March 12/8 March Hornpipe Jig Waltz Mixed Various Time Signatures $52.92. Also known as The Soldier's Joy, "The Soldier's Joy' (hornpipe) 1642. This makes 6/8 a compound duple time signature. I notice that most hornpipes are written out in 4/4 timing while a few are in 2/4. ... Hornpipe: 2/4 time signature, 8 … I should , by way of clarification, explain my preference for 2/2 for both hornpipes and reels. The dance is done in hard shoes. Songs in 2/4 Time for Kids. Sometimes, collections may use 4/4 for one tune and 2/4 for another of the same type - perhaps an attempt to reflect the tempo of the performance it was transcribed from. Hornpipe, This weekend another piper and I are playing pipes with an orchestra, the piece obviously intended to sound like a Scottish Strathspey but written in 6/8 time. Free printable PDF score and MIDI track. If you beam the first four notes then the last two they’ll play 1234 12. " C. Nicolas. Found 19 results for: Hornpipe, 2/4, > 10 transcriptions, 4/4 You can remove these filters to broaden out your search Rhythm: Hornpipe Time signature: 2/4 Transcriptions: > 10 transcriptions Time signature…
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