Swisher is a tough and sharp interviewer—usually. Like fine, no one’s — you know what I mean? You’re the building inspector, and the building’s a mess. And among the Nazis, that was more than they were willing to do in defining who could be Jewish. It has affected me in the sense that, as I go through the world, I can never know when this will rear itself. Chief executive John Matze calls his social media platform a “neutral town square.” Kara Swisher disag… And we’ve not done that. But also, there is a cost for those who buy into this hierarchy, who buy into what I would say his assumptions about caste. Let’s talk a little bit about how you demolish the idea of caste. This is a reminder that history is still with us. That’s one of the things that I retain from my years at The Times, is I never talk about what I’m working on. I was all ready to interview him. You go through the world, everyone wakes up, starts their day, with the hope that the day will be good, with the hope that you will move through the world and get the things that you need to get done done. The February cover of Vogue featuring Vice President-elect Kamala Harris kicked off a controversy involving the most powerful woman in fashion and the soon-to-be most powerful woman in the White House. It’s a parking lot. 1-on-1 with 'Sway' Podcast host Kara Swisher. And there they were, laboring in their uniforms, bent over with mops and brooms and with masks over their faces. I’ll tell you right now. But it is. Well, there’s a difference between remembering something and celebrating something. kara swisher I’m Kara Swisher, and you’re listening to “Sway.” My approach is simple. 'Sway' podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump More On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the bans of President Donald Trump's social media accounts. I had my pen. Sway By New York Times Opinion. New episodes every Monday and Thursday. We saw people climbing walls to get into the Capitol, attacking police officers. Described by Newsweek as Silicon Valley's "most powerful tech journalist", she is an opinion writer for The New York Times, a contributing editor at New York, the host of the podcast Sway, and the co-host of the podcast Pivot. Mr, Cranston, thank you so much for doing this. They could not even be, some of them, within 96 paces of a dominant caste person. Or click h… But it was a real big debate in Germany at the time. “I aspire to be a Koch brother before I aspire to be an under secretary,” he tells Kara Swisher on this episode of “Sway.” His definition of power has little to do with politics — it’s profits, he says, that empower you to “control the resources.”Mr. This is Sway. And the response in Congress by the Republicans — let’s move on. They were also looking at antimiscegenation laws, the laws that prevented people from marrying across race. Here, we have Confederate monuments. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. It fell to them in order to do that. I have written this book as — I present myself as a building inspector who is presenting the report to the current owners of the building, the house we all call America. I don’t. We should have been interviewing right now instead of standing here. It’s the surgeon and all the other people who come in, the other physicians who come in and actually look more closely at it to look at all the things that need to be done in order to fix what is gone wrong. Parler should be kept online and available, twitter which I don't subscribe to should not censor free speech and google, amazon and the rest of the companies should keep out of it. All right, thank you. It’s economic. Kara Swisher Verified Columnist, Editor at Large and Podcast Host, Host — Pivot , Sway , The New York Times I had my notebook. The people protesting the possible removal of the Statue of Robert E. Lee, they brought those symbols together, those belief systems together. Listen and subscribe. I appreciated hearing Parler's point of view. She rose to prominence as an early reporter in technology on the dawn of the internet age, having co-founded The Wall Street Journal’s “All Things Digital” and, later, “Recode,” which was sold to Vox Media in 2015. So why is that a debate? So the fact that our country will not even have been a free and independent nation for as long as slavery lasted, that’s how long it lasted, that it won’t be till next year, in our lifetimes. And that is what the outcome of these elections seem to be telling us. They adjusted some of these things to make up what would ultimately become the Nuremberg laws, one of them having the idea of the one drop rule, which was part of some Southern jurisprudence that would say that, in defining who was Black, all it took was one drop of Black blood to make that person Black. Well, you know what? The thing I would hear from people time and time again after they read the book was, I had no idea. She was compelled to go on to Facebook to record what was happening to her. Thanks for listening. Duration: 04:45 4 days ago. And then one of the places that we see it manifesting is, of course, longevity and health itself. Right now we can see it. It turned out that American eugenicists were writing books that were huge bestsellers in Germany, and in fact were used in the school curriculum that the Nazis created for themselves and for the students in that world. 00:20:17 - This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will releas… And there he visited a school where the students were then known as untouchables, now known as dalits. Because you have said that Germany had dismantled, officially vanquished caste. What is more important than one’s very life? We need to remind ourselves that no Democrat who has run for president has won a majority of the white vote, or you could say, has won the white vote, since 1964. This is a function of where you are perceived to be, your value and sense of worthiness in the hierarchy. We have a lot to get to with legendary tech journalist Kara Swisher this week: the deplatforming of President Trump, the conservative obsession with Section 230 (what even is Section 230), why Parler went dark (what even is Parler), and why some Republicans would rather complain about losing Twitter followers than address the deadly attack on the Capitol. And it’s employment. And he said, I’m going to have to ask you to leave because The New York Times will be here any minute. And we can see it resurrected before our very eyes because this has not been addressed. It’s shocking —. It’s political. I think the answer is all too obvious. (If you missed that episode — scroll back and hit play! And I see echoes of what I have studied in the past. What was the most important of these U.S. segregation efforts that moved there from your perspective? It was not natural. One of the things that was really interesting is they had Potsdamer Platz. There was a sense of rushing to move on and move beyond what had happened without truly addressing the deep, deep wounds and the tragic exploitation of an entire group of people for 246 years, nor was there an incorporation of the true history into our curriculum. [LAUGHTER]. And he said, well, do you have a business card to prove that you’re with The New York Times? Still, it’s a rapidly growing space for big media personalities who want to reach their audience directly. And I go up to him and he says, oh, I can’t talk to you right now. And it is more powerful to me if those who read it come to the answer themselves. It is a form of the tax. As President Joe Biden said in his inaugural address, “We must end this uncivil war that pits red against blue, rural versus urban, conservative versus liberal.” It was nice to hear. Americans are familiar with race and the concept of systemic racism. What does a New York Times national correspondent look like? “Sway” is produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong and Vishakha Darbha and edited by Paula Szuchman; fact-checking by Kate Sinclair; music and sound design by Isaac Jones; mixing by Erick Gomez. Caste groupings exist in every country because it can be anything people choose. We do not want to forget. We’re not on the same page with our history. We have seen riot police flanked and in position in anticipation of an outbreak. Of course the same goes for people who are of Irish descent. But the reason that I mention that example is also to show how this affects so much more than just the prime targets of it, who obviously suffer on so many levels. And she was not given the pain medications that she required. And so I say that, if you can act your way out of it, it’s class. So one of them would be caste, which I would describe as the bones, and race, which is the skin. I mean, caste is about structure. No.”On this episode of “Sway,” Kara Swisher asks Mr. Khosrowshahi about the plight of drivers and restaurant owners, and whether Uber is part of the “menace economy.”You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. So when you make the connection with the Indian caste system and then the German one, one of the most surprising parts of your research is that the Nazis studied and admired U.S. segregation laws. Here’s someone who had every single, one would presume, advantage and understanding of the medical system, of the treatment, of how she should have been treated, of the standards and the medications. I’m here. And they connected their system of hierarchy to our own. And so I have two numbers, two years that I want to speak about. And there’s a small sign that just says, this is what was there. If you cannot act your way out of it, it’s caste. Why does that not happen here, from your perspective? And so it was through that experience that we can see the connection made by the people who knew caste best. And is it subliminal? And I had made a call with several people in order to interview them for a story that was a pretty standard story and had no trouble all day with all the people I’d interviewed, until I got to the last interview. Stop the steal! If you were part of the dominant caste, part of the dominant group, it accorded all the rights and privileges of that dominant group. Haberman and the NYT led the mainstream news pack that spent 4 years normalizing Trump’s lies and disinformation. At the inauguration on Wednesday, Kamala Harris became vice president — the nation’s first Black person, the first Asian person and the first woman to do so — and President Biden spoke of “a cry for racial justice some 400 years in the making,” adding that “the dream of justice for all will be deferred no longer.”But according to Isabel Wilkerson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and historian, change may not come so easily. And what’s interesting about it is, I have a lot of Southern relatives, and they keep saying, Kara, well, it’s history. It was a world where there was a Black Bible and altogether separate white Bible to swear to tell the truth on in court. Not to give prescriptions, but I’d like you to give predictions. And he later gave a sermon in which he spoke about what he had experienced and learned there. America’s Caste System Is 400 Years Old. And they were received as visiting dignitaries. His $1.3 billion suit against an ex-Trump lawyer might be the “first step” in a powerful fight against actual fake news. I’m not saying you did. She was not getting the treatment that she required. It’s everything. You could use religion. You don’t use the word racism much. Her Interviews with Matze (Parler) and CEO of Uber, made them squirm and I loved it. It’s a power structure. Kara Swisher, host of Pivot and Sway podcasts, co-founder of Recode: "When I have someone try to shut me down by insulting me or calling me bossy or outspoken, that's when I go full in." New York Times Contributing Opinion Writer and "Sway" podcast host Kara Swisher says social media companies get engagement through enragement. And your book focuses on three major caste systems in human history— ancient Indian one, thousands of years, Nazi Germany, which was a very short time, and America’s caste system. I love myself. It was determined on the basis solely of what he looked like, what that signifier and cue said to the security guard as to where he belonged. It was an astonishing stew of hatred, arrogance, and stupidity. That’s the manager that I’m there to interview. Last week, the Capitol was a crime scene. On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the banning of Pres. On this episode of “Sway,” she explains how she saw an invisible ranking system play out in the raid at the U.S. Capitol, and argues that rushing to move on would be a mistake.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. — that in the current day anyone would believe that. Food Delivery Is Keeping Uber Alive. But according to Isabel Wilkerson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and historian, change may not come so easily. But other than that, there are just cars parked over what had been a bunker. Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, Hunter Harris and Anne Helen Petersen have all left their legacy media publications to start their own Substack newsletters. Chief Executive John Poulos says it’s the “first step” in the voting machine company’s efforts to counter a “malicious campaign of lies” spread by right wing media outlets and members of Donald Trump's inner circle.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. And I don’t know how to fix it. That is a massive reminder of how slavery lasted, which is, again, the foundation of the inequities that we live with to this day, the upside-down power structure of the country that was established in the time of slavery. In every way, they were being held the lowest rung of the American hierarchy. As of right now, Washington is on … But do you see signs of it, as the building inspector of the house of America, which is pretty creaky right now, do you see signs that there is an ability to push back this system? Thank you for the interview. Some viciously attacked police officers. If you’re listening on The Times website and want to get each new episode of Sway in your podcast hierarchy, download a podcast app Like Stitcher or Google Podcasts. Anyone who read The Warmth of Other Suns, however, has been exposed to the idea, at least from my role as a writer, because I use the term caste. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. It’s kind of a conversation that I think scholars have primarily been having with one another. I’m ready here to interview you. And then and only then can you begin to even think about crafting a plan for moving forward. Sway is a production of New York Times Opinion. Stop the steal! And that meant that, here you have someone who is the best-dressed, sophisticated person in the world, and it didn’t matter how he was presenting himself. That is what happened when slavery was created. So subscribe to this one. It didn’t matter what his bearing was. It’s health care system, criminal justice, education, law enforcement. There was a time where Benjamin Franklin did not view people of German descent as being in the category of his own and felt that there was a threat coming in from people who happen to be German. You describe a Black tax on caste. © 2020-2021 THE NEW YORK TIMES COMPANY; The New York Times encourages the use of RSS feeds for personal use in a news reader or as part of a non-commercial blog, subject to your agreement to our Terms of Service. On this episode of Sway, the Tony and Emmy-winning actor breaks down his method, the motivations behind the larger-than-life men he plays and why he draws the line at playing the Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz or the President currently in the White House.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. And one of the examples that stands out to me, of course, is when I was a national correspondent for The New York Times, and just going about my work of interviewing people. We are living this right now. More with Isabel Wilkerson after the break. Study it, whatever you want. You could use language. They wouldn’t have lived to tell. And we saw a situation in which masses of people were able to overrun the officers. It is unmissable. Still a caste system invisibly underneath, just with their classifications. But while they were there, they made a visit to the southern part of the country to Kerala. And they were at the very bottom. I heard from people wherever in the country they might have been, different backgrounds, I had no idea. But Donald Trump and his supporters still have an effectively unregulated safe space: Parler. They created their own classification system. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. And it had been all day — now we don’t even use business cards, you know? kara swisher. And they did not want people going there, acolytes of Hitler’s. They ransacked the halls of Congress, stole property, smeared feces on the wall. We have had laws, which are necessary, absolutely necessary. There was a heartbreaking case over the holidays in which a Black woman, who was a physician, who had COVID was in the hospital. And I said, well, I made the arrangement and we talked on the phone and we made the arrangement for a 4:30 appointment, and here I am. It throws you off your course. On this episode of “Sway,” she explains how she saw an invisible ranking system play out in the raid at the U.S. Capitol, and argues that rushing to move on would be a mistake. Uber’s chief executive, Dara Khosrowshahi, is charging toward a world in which food is delivered through apps like Uber Eats and “a driver may be human or may be software.” On the way, he acknowledges, “the human consequences can be painful.” Uber is not profitable yet, but its deep pockets and vast infrastructure give it power over independent restaurants and individual drivers. And I pulled out my driver’s license anyway so that he could see it, just to be able to move on so I could get the interview done. The randomness is quite —, Yeah, it’s the arbitrary nature of it. What we saw last week on January 6 may have looked like another country, but it is our country. Stop the steal! The person I was supposed to interview was not there yet. Kara Anne Swisher is an American journalist. I’ll need to see some ID. — walking into his own office building, and the security guard told him he needed to use the service elevator to his own office. Well, not having an idea has consequences. And it became a bipolar system of power and control, in which anyone who arrived to this country from outside of the poles of this hierarchy had to find a way of where did they fit in. And so they either hid it or you cannot find it or you can’t figure out where it is. And he said to himself, I am an untouchable. Will It Kill Restaurants? There continues to be displaying Confederate flags. So I had to write the piece without him. And we, of course, have seen over the summer that this is a matter of life and death for people who are descended from this originally historically subordinated group. It has not been fully known, thus not fully addressed. It was mostly Black and brown people cleaning up the mess. It seems as if he’s flustered. [LAUGHTER] [MUSIC PLAYING] Ever. I literally don’t know how anyone can say that. I am good. On “This Week” Kara Swisher discusses the bans of President Donald Trump’s social media accounts. We still live with the after effects of it, how it is not this ancient, long ago single chapter in our country’s history. And what they’ve done is they’ve paved over it. And it took all that I could do just to present the report. Similar to Kamala Harris & Joes Biden's dismissive attitude to those who don't agree with them. It requires a closer examination, first recognizing our history, how did we get here. The Dalits you’re talking about are in the Indian caste system. They were able to trample the barricades. And beyond that, they also do things like leave bullet holes in certain buildings, which I think is important, you talked about in your book. kara swisher. And I said, now it’s well past the time. But once it’s over, is there a topic you really want to delve into? So among the many scenes that struck me to my core was after the rampage had been quelled and was later into the night, and the cleaning crew is brought in to clean up after the damage that had been done. And that sparked my interest to look and see what had Germany done in the years since the war. It became the tool, the signifier, the signal of one’s place in the hierarchy. I did not fit the, quote, unquote, “role” that he had in his mind. And in everyday ways, the idea that there’s this belief that people in the medical establishment still hold study after study after study, shows that medical professionals still believe the fallacy that Black and brown people do not experience pain in the same way that their white counterparts do. I heard that all the time. And let’s be honest. Her reporting reveals that the systems of power in America are deeply defined by caste. There were signs when white Trump supporters, who say they voted for Barack Obama, this is pushing against the self-interest of their dominant caste status, and then in this election, more Black Americans who voted for Trump. Why hasn’t the term, though, caught on? I wanted to know what Wilkerson saw. You’re using brain power that could be put toward much better things, toward the writing of the work that you’re doing or whatever it is that your job is. As we’re moving into the next year, and now we have a Black female vice President with Kamala Harris, some people used to say that America, we’re post-racial and doesn’t have a caste system. Played softball with her good friend Maggie Haberman. But they resolved not to allow that to continue there, not keeping the history, because you need to keep the history. Sway is a production of New York Times Opinion. Inside the Billion-Dollar War Against Right-Wing Conspiracists. How do you respond? Why do you think there’s a need for this human classification? But then also, no adult alive today will be alive at the point at which African-Americans will have been free for as long as they were enslaved. Explain what you think would have happened. And I think that is where the disconnect when it comes to, what do we do with our history? It had consequences. Her reporting reveals that the systems of power in America are deeply defined by caste. of Dominion Voting Systems. TWEET. They paid reparations for the Holocaust, the Germans did. It’s produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong, and Vishakha Darbha, edited by Paula Szuchman, with original music by Isaac Jones, mixing by Erick Gomez, and fact-checking by Kate Sinclair. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. And when Dr. King heard those words, he bristled at first hearing it, because he didn’t perceive himself that way. But we can also see how fragile all of that is and how it doesn’t take much to resurrect those longstanding unaddressed wounds that are still with us. And so he went to visit that school. SHARE. When it was all over, shattered glass and broken furniture littered the building. Everyone had to buy into this belief system that the people were worthy, that the people deserved nothing more than that. So this has continued to the current day. And he said, every Negro in the United States is an untouchable. Facebook and Twitter have kicked Donald Trump off their platforms and Amazon Web Services removed Parler from its cloud. And so we still live out the ancient struggles and tensions of previous generations because we have never truly dealt with them in the ways that they really need to be. The idea of being out of one’s place is sort of a hallmark of caste. Palihapitiya made his … And I said, I happen not to have any business cards. The very word of God was segregated. It doesn’t need to be out in the public space. I was having to describe an entire region where it was against the law, for example, in one of the states, for a Black person and a white person to merely play checkers together in Birmingham. And I think that that moment has forced us into a karmic reckoning that is long overdue. It impedes your ability to do your work. And East Germany did not have the changes. It’s social. This is an indication of the — what I describe, when it comes to caste, caste is essentially this graded ranking of human value. Their CEOs are entitle to one vote, their own. Sway will be published twice a week beginning the week of Sept. 21. We’re well past into the time we were supposed to be interviewing. It was mostly white people who did this. But how can we forget January. Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio. I mean, there are reminders everywhere, as they should be. Kara Swisher is a contributing Opinion writer and host of “Sway,” a new twice-weekly podcast. It’s labor. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. I am worthy of love. It was created. The concept is simple. I’m Isabel Wilkerson with The New York Times. Sure, certainly. 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