If you’ve answered anything, it is questions that have not been asked. Schools do not only aim to teach children basic things, but also help them become good adults. Thee is no example in the home or outside. It also would help right now with the hurts that kids get emotionally, the ones they suffer from as adults. “Why isn’t your religion taught in public school? Why isn’t christianity, right now, taught as part of public education? You fear so badly that it is you who will be proven wrong and that is why the thought of such a discussion in public schools is so frightening to you. “What do you mean by ” to teach islam or buddhism or any non-Christian religion makes no sense in a country founded by Christians”?”. One way is demonstrating that the thing posited is impossible to exist. Or the way you John, interpret the bible? Here are the basics of one of my favorite political/social philosophers, Thomas Jefferson, who had some hard fights, with christian zealots while in office and after: He makes 3 specific points that would seem to entirely undermine your position John, Can you find them? While for a long time, parents of a certain faith pushed for religion to be taught in schools, they were only determined to have their faith taught on the school curriculum. If they were to provide an educational overview of all the religions as a subject in a non biased or forceful way, I would think that opening up our children's minds to understand that one way is not the only way would open their minds and hearts, as well as letting them make a true and informed decision on if and which religion they put their faith in. Political secularists have thus far been successful in preventing religion from crossing the threshold of our public schools. It is a means of proposing that people are different from each other and have different beliefs. Refer to our helpful FAQ section for any problems you might be experiencing. Don’t think I’ve said that. Just like you. Many will argue that one reason why there are so many issues with religions is that people are not taught to be open about other religions while growing up. For it to appeal to you, the class would have to inject the same socialistic, morally bankrupt nonsense you do. More people believing might lead to a review of legislation and SCOTUS decisions that stretched the meaning of Constitutional issues beyond the original intent of the founders. Or consider this, Marshall: conservative religious types (at least of the sort that you approve of) are on the decline across the US in many places. David, Christians in Arabic speaking countries would agree. If you can’t deal with the issue of a post, why do you even show up? The kids who opt out of RE are made to feel isolated from their peers. In the meantime, since you have still not provided any reason why the existence of God cannot be discussed, or even why religion shouldn’t be taught, it can be only fear that explains it. Thanks for the kind words. Its a long story and mostly an in-house discussion. To what end would it be discussed? He was merely defending what the 1st Amendment was saying and that is crystal clear in everything you posted related to the issue. I mean if your’e the majority, how exactly is it that now you are fighting to have your insanity taught at home, church, and the government institution of public education?”. Maybe one with a more christian totalitarian bent? Any time I put faith/religion and public schools in the same post here at Teach 4 the Heart, I get a variety of comments like these ones by Abe & Kayley. David Zyngier, Monash University. Religion is well supported; of various kinds, indeed, but all good enough; all sufficient to preserve peace and order: or if a sect arises, whose tenets would subvert morals, good sense has fair play, and reasons and laughs it out of doors, without suffering the state to be troubled with it. But you don’t appear to mind taking away others’ religious liberties – at least insofar as having a state-sanctioned religious class – as long as you keep yours. Working as a primary school teacher for over a decade, I sat through countless assemblies in which the local clergy were invited to tell bible stories as fact. It seems radically different than yours Marshall. You ask, “What is your argument and evidence? Thus, we’ve not implemented any such class.” But what you fail to keep in mind, or choose to ignore, is that religion is already taught in schools of higher learning of all sorts (as I said, my daughter took a course in world religions at Mizzou) without anyone’s grade being contingent upon adhering to any religion whatsoever. That Jefferson had his own perspective on Christianity? [36] ” I’m confused. You ask, “What are the evidences and arguments that point to your assertion tjat the proposition is false? No, Dan. Nothing in Romans 13 denies the citizen the right and/or duty to lobby for change. The thing is, from a practical point of view, I have to doubt that conservative Christians would want to see this enacted and enforced in our schools. Otherwise, I am firmly in the tradition of the spectrum of anabaptists. However, none of that has any bearing teaching religion in schools as it does not establish a national, state, municipal or even neighborhood religion to which everyone must ascribe. Indeed, you can find founders that would never vote for an atheist. This exclusion would likely make the student the target of bullying … Sound them out: Bad things happen when bad people do bad things. 3. Not the topic of this discussion. We can’t prove unicorns don’t exist, that martians don’t exist or that Robin Hood didn’t exist. “ The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, Materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and preeminence. Believers, as is no surprise to believers themselves, are victims of their own human natures just as non-believers are. As fully explained, the statement regarding Scripture and God being in question only exists by virtue of people like you insisting that what Scripture clearly states, in terms no honest person can misinterpret, is not so. Religions should be learned about but not Forced on someone. Taught by Theologians? 4) Great job skirting additional questions spurned by John’s initial post. Thus it would be ridiculous to believe that 2+2 does NOT equal four. I don’t monitor every person even within my sphere to know who lives the most Christian life. 3. But I went on to answer your question. There is no religious liberty issue whatsoever, any more than one is required to align one’s self with a political party because politics is discussed in schools. We explain what the next stage of the vaccine rollout means for you. It allows for a well-rounded education. Fear can be scary when it’s supported by Bronze Age insanity. Doug, thats why I dont think I’d want schools delving into each religion either. Is this supposed to be a clever “gotcha” moment for you? You can bet that the only way many conservative Christians (and many others) would approve of someone teaching a class about God would be if they agreed with that teachers’ curriculum and ideas. The Oneness Pentacostals? In Jefferson’s March 4, 1805, Drafts of Address of Second Inaugural he stated: “ In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the constitution independent of the powers of the general government. People devoted to God and the teachings of Christ do far fewer bad things the more devoted they are. Similarly, in the Muslim World the emergence of formal education was driven by religious purposes. Dan is not alone.You are not alone. Religion has no place in mainstream schooling at all. Religious liberty is too valuable to promote one flavor at the state level. Religion should be taught in school, as this is the only way to return to society the forgotten moral standards and true values. You guys can’t agree on anything outside your own narrow interpretation of the good book. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. Yet most, if not all, found a devotion to God in private, manifested in how one lives publicly was also seen as logical back then. That serves those who believe in God. When most, if not all, of our major universities were founded, they were founded (mostly) by ministers and one needed a good working understanding of Scripture to study there. ( Log Out /  As we live in a world where the reality is that there are a diversity of religions and non-religions (atheism, agnosticism), I’m fine with a course covering this reality. How could a christian nation be felled by STD’s?”. Parents, who probably don’t have a college degree or training in this subject matter, are a better choice than a complete stranger with training and … Or, if you have a philosophy class, that’s a place where one might talk about various philosophies as it relates to God or No God. BUT, for the purposes of this discussion and the question posed by the title of the post, which claim is likely to be true and which false would be a great learning exercise for any school to pursue. Hmm, “Obey the government”. It’s true. So you’d like to believe. At a guess, that’s probably what David is trying to say. The government says, via the whiny atheists (I guess your god does work in mysterious ways), that teaching religion in schools is a no go. We can say, “I find insufficient reason to have any reason to think that these exist… I see no evidence to support the claim,” Or, conversely, “I do find sufficient reason to believe X exists, even though I have no way of proving it objectively,” but you can’t prove something doesn’t exist. You accuse ME of name calling when your constant reference to people of faith is one level or another of complete condescension? Try sounding out the words. ( Log Out /  The unbeliever is simply afraid of a majority of people coming to adjust their views of morality…, … behaviors a non-believer might choose to enjoy, such as pornography…. Prove that the alien race Glorkons don’t exist. I’m not sure what you mean. They are a fun way of learning life lessons, values and morals in a positive and influential way because they are so fun, relaxed and in a caring atmosphere. Ganesh does exist. Do you really WANT people to know how lacking you are? You changed the subject pretty quick there. You could have said, “Yeah, like that, Dan.” and then foregone all the gnashing of teeth and objecting to particular teachers because of their belief system being different than yours. Though he did so as Governor of Virginia, during his Presidency Jefferson refused to issue proclamations calling for days of prayer and thanksgiving. So, then, we’re BOTH being objective, is that your point? Parents should be teaching their children this, not teachers, because that would definitely be more educational. 3. Why isn’t your religion taught in public school? The Pope? In 1803 Jefferson composed a “Syllabus of an Estimate of the Merit of the Doctrines of Jesus” of the comparative merits of Christianity, after having read the pamphlet “Socrates and Jesus Compared” by the Materialist philosopher Dr. Joseph Priestley. It does not. We all did - and majority of us would have received a religious education at school. Rather, it is simply the general discussion of the existence of a Supreme Being. If not, why? How? Jefferson’s views on Jesus and the Bible were mixed, but were progressively far from what was and is largely considered orthodox in Christianity. I never said anyone of your faith tradition. Is it not enough to have multitudes of private religious schools? He often added requests at the end of personal letters discussing religion that his correspondents be discreet regarding its contents.[6]. Why did your god allow for it? As for your kids, I truly hope and pray they have indeed turned out well, but I wouldn’t wager on it based on your report, considering your difficulty in dealing with reality. A government program set up to save millions of dollars’ worth of produce from going to waste has attracted shockingly few workers. 3. it was intended that states could do whatever they wanted, and that the federal government would not establish official religions. 1. Schools may indeed and should teach secular values such as honesty, respect for others, courage, kindness and good citizenship. I still grieve for them. Would you like to see it removed from all state schools?". But more to the point, I’m amongst the vast majority of people worldwide that believe in some from of deity. Why dont you think about it for a little while. Your goal should not be to show them Christ. Because we believe in religious liberty, we are open to others seeking to understand God as best they can. For what it’s worth. The truth is we do not know. Why did your team lose, and continue to lose? That utter nonsense should be kept to denominational schools. In a letter to Samuel Miller dated January 23, 1808 Jefferson stated: “ But it is only proposed that I should recommend, not prescribe a day of fasting & prayer. Here are 10 reasons why religion may have a place in the American educational system: It improves brain development. It has answered beyond conception. 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